Given 3 Months to Live: 11 Years Later, Dave Bolton Is Still Here

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Andy Smith 01:12 
Welcome back to the PEMF Podcast. Today, we're joined once again by Dave Bolton, a sub-1% survivor of-

Dave Bolton 01:19 
A glioblastoma multiforme IDH1 wild type.

Andy Smith 01:23 
You can see why I didn't want to say it. And it's considered one of the most aggressive types of brain cancer. Dave was given a terminal diagnosis and told he may just have three months to live. That was 11 years ago.

Dave Bolton 01:36 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 01:37 
And actually two years since we've done our last podcast.

Dave Bolton 01:39 
How mental is that?

Andy Smith 01:42 
In your first episode, so actually, you know, just to kind of put some context in here, we, we, we did an episode over two years ago. So when we, when we met, and it was love at first sight.

Dave Bolton 01:52 
It was. Our bro-mance started.

Andy Smith 01:55 
And that is episode 37. So we will drop that underneath this episode because I really, really encourage everybody to go back and listen to that episode just because, you know, we'll be touching on your story today-

Dave Bolton 02:04 
Yeah, we'll have-

Andy Smith 02:04 
... but not going on for-

Dave Bolton 02:06 
We don't have-

Andy Smith 02:06 
A whole half hour. Yeah. We don't have as much time as we did last time. Um, incredible story. You know-

Dave Bolton 02:11 
Yeah

Andy Smith 02:11 
... you've, you've used your, I would say, nine lives. I think you've used your about 28 lives. Um-

Dave Bolton 02:17 
Lost count now.

Andy Smith 02:18 
Living on borrowed time, but, you know, I can't, I can't see this being, you know, it's almost got to a point where it's not borrowed time anymore.

Dave Bolton 02:24 
No.

Andy Smith 02:24 
It's, you know, it's we're gonna be sitting here doing our 3,068th episode of the PEMF Podcast.

Dave Bolton 02:30 
Definitely.

Andy Smith 02:32 
So, you know, we, we explored your incredible story. Um, today we're gonna be focusing on what you actually did after your diagnosis, the conventional treatment you underwent, the changes you made to your diet, exercise, supplementation, and mindset, and the therapies you discovered later, including HBOT, red light, infrared sauna, and of course, PEMF.

Dave Bolton 02:52 
Definitely.

Andy Smith 02:53 
So let's start with some quick-fire questions.

Dave Bolton 02:56 
Let's go. Put me on the spot.

Andy Smith 02:59 
Should people accept their cancer diagnose, uh, prognosis?

Dave Bolton 03:02 
No.

Andy Smith 03:03 
What was harder, the diagnosis or the treatment?

Dave Bolton 03:05 
Treatment.

Andy Smith 03:06 
Diet, exercise, supplements, or mindset?

Dave Bolton 03:09 
All three. All four. Yeah. Mindset first, then diet, then nu- nutrition, and then supplements.

Andy Smith 03:16 
Which lifestyle change did you make first?

Dave Bolton 03:18 
Water. Hydration.

Andy Smith 03:21 
Yeah.

Dave Bolton 03:21 
What, what, the water I take.

Andy Smith 03:22 
Which supplement do you value the most today?

Dave Bolton 03:25 
It's changed over the years. Uh, it used to be, um, liposomal vitamin C, but now it's, uh, a good quality DHA, which is, like, omega-3 balance oil, 'cause if you don't have the right levels of omegas in your body, you're in a constant state of inflammation.

Andy Smith 03:40 
Which one first? HBOT, red light, infrared sauna, or PEMF?

Dave Bolton 03:44 
Uh, PEMF

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Andy Smith 03:46 
What's the biggest mistake people make after a cancer diagnosis?

Dave Bolton 03:49 
Um, isolating themselves and accepting their prognosis.

Andy Smith 03:53 
If you could give your newly diagnosed self one piece of advice, what would it be?

Dave Bolton 03:58 
That you're gonna be okay. Um, not to let fear rule some of the decisions, and it is okay to ask for help.

Andy Smith 04:05 
Okay, so anyone just tuning in today that haven't listened to your episode, you know, as I mentioned, please do go back and listen to it, even if it's after this episode. In short, what was you diagnosed with, you know, and how did you kind of feel when you had that con- first conversation?

Dave Bolton 04:24 
Yeah, uh, a very whistle-stop version of it. Um, yeah, so in, in 20, um, 14, May the 1st, never May the 2nd, 'cause it was my daughter's 6th birthday, I was a detec- detective sergeant in charge of, uh, a covert unit, in charge of all covert operations across Liverpool, uh, specializing in gun crime. Uh, I came home after a massively stressful day at work, uh, went to bed, and then woke up at half past 11:00. Um, I'd had a seizure, but not just a wobble, a 15-minute grand mal not CNL seizure. I'd stopped breathing, and I was being resuscitated. Um, rushed to hospital, where, uh, after extensive tests and me trying to discharge myself, 'cause that's what I'm like, um, a astro-a tennis ball-sized astrocytoma was found. So that's a Grade 2, so it's not the malignant type, but it's, it's still serious. Um, so yeah, so when you, when you get told you've got cancer, I was just sat there, and I've been there all day. It was my daughter's birthday. I'm trying to get myself... I don't think I'd realized what had actually happened to the extent, 'cause I'd also completely dislocated my shoulder down the back of it, uh, during that process. They thought I had, uh, meningitis because I was littered in spots, but it was the fact that my, my seizure was that prolonged that all my capillaries burst. And I believe I'm quite lucky, 'cause a, a seizure over five minutes starves the brain from oxygen. I went for 15 minutes, died, was resuscitated, and I have no long-term side effects. But when, when the, the, the consultant came in, um, she said, "I've got your results." And I had my daughter there. I had my family around. Just cleared the room, and then they say to you, "Unfortunately, we found a large mass. It's cancer in your brain." And you never know how you're gonna react, but in my head I was like Well, this isn't real. You know, I must be dreaming. This is a bit of a nightmare. And I was, like, waiting to wake up, and it's like, "This doesn't happen to, to me. It happens on movies, happens on TVs." You know, I didn't know anyone who had a brain tumor. And then kind of looking around, my wife starts crying, and then just reality, uh, kicks in and boomf, yeah. Yeah.  So then let's fast-forward. I was six weeks, uh, I was in hospital, uh, the night before, lying in bed, ready to go down for life-saving operation, um, terrified, scared, didn't sleep. I wrote letters to my wife and children 'cause I believed I wasn't gonna make it. Uh, but the hardest part wasn't imagining what was gonna happen to me, it was imagining what would happen to my family if I didn't come home. But fortunately, I made it. But it was serious. I was given a five-year life prognosis was that, and was sent on my way. And then a, 14 months later, uh, I went in for a, a random MRI scan. I was having them every, every three months. I'd just moved on to six months, and when I walked in, it was the scan that changed everything. So, uh, it was a, a glioblastoma multiforme IDH1 wild type. It is known in the medical world as the terminator, because it is relentless. Uh, the stats for mine, because the wild type is the, the key, only 25% of people get to a year. 17% of people get to two years. To get to five years is 5%. 10 years is 1%, and now I've crossed into 11. I am nought point nought nought nought nought 15732 percent of the, uh, global population of 8.3 billion to still be alive with one of the three most deadliest and biggest killer of all cancers.

Andy Smith 07:34 
And every day I bet that number gets smaller.

Dave Bolton 07:35 
Yeah, it does, yeah, and it's gonna get... Keep getting smaller. It's gonna keep getting smaller. But I'm in a position now where I've got no real evidence of disease, but with a glioblastoma, it's incurable, so cells will hide, so scans can't, scans can't, uh, pick it up. What I tell myself is, "Well, if you can't see any cancer cells on that s- scan, then I don't have it. Someone's gotta be the first, and why can't it be me? So far, I'm defying the odds. So yeah, let's keep going.

Andy Smith 08:01 
Yeah. And you know, we, we put a brave face on it, you... But we've got a good relationship.

Dave Bolton 08:06 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 08:06 
We're always laughing and joking and that sort of thing. But you know, just listening to that again it does, it, it must bring up real emo- It brings up real emotions in me like, you know, like, like-

Dave Bolton 08:13 
And it's, and I, it, it is, and I, I talk about it all the time, but, uh, as we were discussing this before, but it was horrific what I went through, looking back. Do I wish I'd gone through it? No. It was horrendous what I went through. Psychological breakdowns. I remember going into my last round of chemo, having been hospitalized every single one. I was about eight stone. I had ulcers all down my throat, and I actually asked my wife, "Just let me die. I don't wanna do this rou- this, this next round of chemo." And even that bringing up emotion now.

Andy Smith 08:39 
Yeah, yeah.

Dave Bolton 08:39 
I, I'd given up. And that's not like... For the first time in my life, I'd lost my reason why. And that's when you lean on your family and your support network, and luckily she went, "No, you're not", dragged me, and yeah, and there I am. But when you're in that moment, it's like there's no dark- There's darkness. You can't see a way out. You just want t- t- time to fast-forward, and then suddenly I'm looking back, man, all that treatment was in 2015. It's like, uh you know, 2016, I'm... Yeah.

Andy Smith 09:05 
So talking about the treatment, you know, after your prognosis, what was offered to you at the time? You know, what was the. What was the menu on the, you know-

Dave Bolton 09:15 
Nothing. Nothing. Don't get me wrong, the NHS are amazing. They've saved my life three times, and if you wanna hear what the other times were, listen to the la- last pod- podcast.

Andy Smith 09:24 
Yeah, 'cause it wasn't just the cancer.

Dave Bolton 09:25 
No, no, no.

Andy Smith 09:25 
You, you tried killing yourself a few times, didn't you?

Dave Bolton 09:27 
Yeah, quite a few times.

Andy Smith 09:27 
No, not, not in that way, sorry-

Dave Bolton 09:28 
No

Andy Smith 09:28 
... but-

Dave Bolton 09:29 
Yeah. And I've come back and defied the odds, yeah. Um, so the, you know, they saved my life multiple times, but once the aftercare, there's nothing. I was given a six-week course, I think it was at the Brain Trust or the Brain Charity in Liverpool. You turn up and then people are just asking questions to doctors.

Andy Smith 09:48 
Mm. And that was all the support you got?

Dave Bolton 09:51 
Yeah. And then when you're in hospital, like I spent... First operation, I was up speaking within f- uh, three hours and discharged within three days. The second operation, um, I thought I was fine. No letters. It all went wrong in surgery, because that walnut-sized mass that straddled the center of my brain had actually doubled and it had trebled in size in two weeks. That's how aggressive it was. So I was in hospital longer, and it's, it's... You've just gotta look at the quality, the nutrition that you get. It's disgusting. You know, the modern-day Hippocratic Oath, part of it is, "Let food be thy medicine and let medicine be thy food." Yet they don't get half an hour training. The stuff they serve is vile. It's like you, you want to, uh, empower people to eat better. Why are you serving that? Why are you coming around with packs of crisps? Why are you offering them chocolate bars? It's just... Yeah.

Andy Smith 10:39 
And last time we spoke, you, you didn't wanna take the conventional route. You didn't wanna have chemotherapy and that sort of thing. That was your initial decision, wasn't it?

Dave Bolton 10:45 
Yeah, no. Yeah, so when, when I actually got told that's what I had, and Professor Eldridge spun the screen round, um, I, I was shouting, "I'm not doing chemo. I'm not doing radio." Don't you... 'Cause obviously ex- elite fighter, body's te- temple and all that rubbish. You know, I'm not putting that in it. But when you're sat there and you've been given three months to live, I didn't wanna gamble my life with my, w- you know, with the natural route of, uh, with a, certainly with a six-year-old daughter and a, a 10-year-old son.

Andy Smith 11:09 
And so what was your kind of real driving factor for accepting the, accepting the kind of-

Dave Bolton 11:15 
I had to give-

Andy Smith 11:15 
... conventional-

Dave Bolton 11:15 
Yeah. I wanted, I wanted to be here still. So yeah. So I went down that road, and it was absolutely horrific.

Andy Smith 11:23 
Can you describe the conventional treatment that you took then? So what, that was the chemotherapy and-

Dave Bolton 11:27 
Yeah, so it, it started off after, after I had s- surgery, uh, where it all went wrong. And, like, what I just wanna say is if it wasn't for Pr- Professor Eldridge, I wouldn't be here today. So Professor Eldridge was the top neurosurgeon in the whole entire country. He wrote the guidelines for NICE. And I've been told, and I know for a fact, that if it was any other neurosurgeon, he spent 14 hours operating on me, others wouldn't have. And when I came out of surgery, and it was a, it was, it was hard recovery, he actually apologized to me, 'cause he only got 98%. To get 98% of a glioblastoma that's spread is incredible. I just remember saying to him, "You don't have to thank me. It's now up to me to take the baton and run with it and try and beat this." Uh, yeah. That's, yeah. So, um, after about seven weeks, I had- Sorry. Uh, dual radio and chemotherapy. So I would attend Cambridge Cancer Center on the Ward, where you sit there, and then 20 minutes before you go in for, um, your ra- your radiotherapy, you get given, uh, chemo, so Temozolomide. So you take that, and then you go in to have radiotherapy. Um, trying to explain what radiotherapy is on your head is virtually impossible. You go in one person, and you come out someo- as someone completely different. And in my last week, um, they were saying, "You've done really well. You know, we don't really have people like you." 'Cause I used to... I was humor, you know me. Um, and I lost all my hair. I, I did have more hair than this. Um, but at the back there was a patch. So I went in one day and went, "Listen, it's... I, I, I'm struggling to shave the back of my head. Can we not just do full brain radio- therapy for a c- for a week?" And they were like, "No." And I was like, "No, I'm joking." Yeah. Um, but they said, "You're doing really well." But then in my last week, um, I remember g- going in, um, for radiotherapy, and I came away, and I'd, I've never felt so ill, so exhausted, so physically drained. And I got home, and I, I got into bed, and unfortunately suffered a full psychological breakdown. Lost the plot completely. I was away with the fairies. Outside the house, spinning around. I thought I'd been sent down from the universe to cleanse, cleanse the world. I thought I could shape-shift. I thought I could stop time. It was, yeah, it was a, a, a very dark moment i- in my life.

Andy Smith 13:29 
And there was a point in which you kind of just gave up on yourself and thought you know, "This, this" "this is, this is the end," but, but then you turned a corner in terms of your mindset and that sort of thing. Like, just for people that might be in the same position or listening to this, like, are there actions you took, are there things you can share to be like, "This is what I did, these little tricks and habits and things I changed to change that mindset"?

Dave Bolton 13:55 
Yeah. Well, before, one of the questions is mindset. You've gotta get your mindset right first. Um, and, and it's okay to ask for help, and it's okay not to be okay. Like, the first part for me was, why me? Why is this happening to me? Why not the rapists, the murderers, the pedophile, the scum of this world? And then you get into that acceptance, "Well, actually it's one in two, so actually it shouldn't be why me, it should be why not me?" And then you've got to fight, and I hate saying that to people who've just been diagnosed, but the quicker that you can get that will to fight and that positivity, the better it is. Don't isolate yourself. A lot of people will isolate yourself. When you put yourself into isolation, or, or you re- remove or withdraw from society, it's scientifically proven that you speed up the progression of your cancer. So it's ask for help, you're not alone. And, uh, one thing I would say is, you know, um, there is another way, there is another option, but most of all, there's hope, and you are gonna have to stand up and take ownership of your own situation. Accept your diagnosis, but never accept a prognosis. They go off averages, and none of you or I have ever been average at anything.

Andy Smith 14:55 
Mm-hmm. So let's talk about the time in which you got your prognosis, you got your diagnosis, sorry, and then you and then you've got your first clear scan.

Dave Bolton 15:06 
Yeah, yeah.

Andy Smith 15:06 
So you've got that window. What are the things, you know, w- we almost want the secret sauce, you know?

Dave Bolton 15:12 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 15:12 
Everyone probably comes to you and says, you know, "I'm in this situation."

Dave Bolton 15:15 
I know. Yeah.

Andy Smith 15:16 
You know, I, I want your secret.

Dave Bolton 15:17 
I want to do exactly what you were doing.

Andy Smith 15:18 
I need to know. Yeah.

Dave Bolton 15:19 
Yeah, yeah.

Andy Smith 15:19 
Um, let's talk about diet first, 'cause I know you, you've sort of said, you know, change your diet.

Dave Bolton 15:23 
Yeah, yeah.

Andy Smith 15:24 
What do you mean by change your diet?

Dave Bolton 15:25 
So basically, when... You've got to... And the way I kinda do it, and it's a very quick analogy, if you've got a tree in your garden and the leaves are dying and a botanist or whatever you wanna call comes in, they're not gonna treat the leaves, they treat the soil and the roots, and that's what you've gotta do. Your cancer has spread due to something in the environment. So the first thing I look at is water. What's the water you're drinking? Uh, I haven't n- I haven't drank tap water, that I know of, in 11 years. Because in the tap water you've got fluoride, heavy metals, mercury, the pipes that the, the, the, they're carried in, it's disgusting. You know, and it's, and it's actually, uh, when you're talking about alkali, a lot of it is slightly acidic. So I changed it to a Kangen water. You know, you can get s- so many other different machines, but as long as you're filtering it, that's the best thing. And once you've addressed the water, because you can't go more than two days without water you then look at your food, your nutrition, what are you taking in? And it's not big wholesale changes straightaway. It's making more sensible choices. Start, stop using the microwave, chef ding. You're using radiation to heat a piece of chicken up in two minutes, which should be, like, you know, could be half an hour. Um, start eating whole foods. Don't eat processed foods. You know, it's, it's, it's little changes. You can't make wholesale changes straightaway. I had to, 'cause I was given three months to live. So I had to go f- full attack. And then you can start to look at supplementation. And obviously, cancer is a disease of the mitochondria, but it's also a metabolic disease, so we've already discussed the few. And then you're looking at, like, for me, it was then looking at supplements. What can I do to improve my immune system? Because when you get cancer, your immunity drops. When you go through tre- treatment, it's, you've virtually got none. So it's about improving that system. And then, I then, I, 'cause back then I wanted to do hyperbaric oxygen, but every place I went to said, "No, it'll rip your brain in half." So I didn't. Um, and yeah. And then-

Andy Smith 17:14 
Why do you think they said that? Like, what was the theory behind that back then?

Dave Bolton 17:18 
I don't know, 'cause it was, it was 11, nearly 12 years ago. Uh, and I did, there was, like, MS centers, um, and I understand now, having done my qualification in America, that they're volunteers, they're not just gonna let anyone come in. Plus, you, back then, apparently you had to have an A and E on site. Now, I spoke to one, which is, uh, which was for deep-sea diving, like a pop on, and he tore strips off me for even asking. He said, "You'd be in there, your brain'd rip in half with a tumor." So it put the fear of God into me, and I didn't really think about it after that. And it was only as I became well-known in, in, in the, in the world, um, I got invited to go to, um, a place called The Pod. What is it? Uh, the Health Pod in Wales, in Conway. A, a woman called Sarah Chard, it's not there now. She said, "Do you wanna come and try, like, a infrared sauna, a hyperbaric oxygen?" I said, "I would love to." And just being in the hyperbaric oxygen, I, I just felt a little bit different that night. And the infrared, and then- Yeah, and then ended up getting one, a hyperbaric, and I wish that I'd had one at the beginning because I wouldn't be dealing with the potential onset of alz- uh, Alzheimer's and, uh, dementia is which I probably have, 'cause I ha- now have, from radiation, 'cause I'm s- 'cause I'm one of the, I'm known as an outlier known as, like, an anomaly in, in this world. Um, the damage from radiation, I've got what's called ischemic changes. So blood vessels throughout the whole of my hemisphere where the grays, 'cause they call it grays, um, go in, um, have killed it, so I'm at massively high risk of Alzheimer's and dementia. And now if I'd have had a hyperbaric, if I'd have had all these other modalities, I wouldn't be looking at that, because a hyperbaric actually synthesizes treatments. It improves chemotherapy, radiotherapy, IV, but also, um, radiation is an oxidative treatment. So when it's pumped full of oxygen, the radiation works better. So, and it would've protected the cells, the neurons, all, all in the brain by filling it full of oxygen. So yeah.

Andy Smith 19:11 
We talk about this on the podcast quite a lot, you know, the conventional medicine, great, it's there, it has a, it serves a purpose. But you know, the way a lot of the time it's like to attack and kill the cancer cells, but there doesn't seem to be anything in place to support the person to support the body while they're going through this-

Dave Bolton 19:28 
Exactly. And I always call it a shotgun approach. And I've I've spoke in the Houses of Commons and stuff, uh, multiple times regarding brain tumors, and they said, "What do you mean?" I said, "Well, you just blast everyone with the same type of chemo." And chemotherapy, and I'm not putting it down, you know, standard care of treatment is there for a reason, but it kills every single cell in your body when

Andy Smith 19:46 
It's not selective at times, no

Dave Bolton 19:47 
It's not selective at all. And then y- and if you're lucky enough to get i- immunotherapy, that's it. It's... Yeah. But, um, but yeah.

Andy Smith 19:55 
Winding back to diet- ... because we digressed a little bit.

Dave Bolton 19:58 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 19:58 
What do-

Dave Bolton 19:58 
It's what I'm good at

Andy Smith 19:59 
You know, we can't, we can't also kind of pinpoint things, but, you know, what did your diet look like before? Was there, you know, do you think that there's anything it could have contributed to your original diagnosis?

Dave Bolton 20:09 
But I, I always thought because, and it was, like, sport's been my whole life. I was that annoying kid who was good, sorry, great at all sports. I did representative school, county and country in multiple disciplines. So my diet's always been on point to what I thought. But when I look back, what I was doing, and you know, especially when, when I was in the police and the military, it would be microwaving pre- pre-made chicken microwaving the rice, a can of Pepsi Max. It was like stuff you think, "Well, that's not too bad." But when you look at it, microwave, in the plastic, microplastics. The Pepsi Max, you think it's healthy. Actually, it produces a spike of insulin, 'cause you think you're getting a load of calories, and you don't. There's, i- if you look back, there was, and then I was taking, like, uh, Plasma Jet and all sorts when I was training and s- you know, and, uh, testosterone boosters, legal ones. Yeah, but, and I kinda think was, did that have... But stress is a big part in it, and I was in a, an environment that was so, pressure was high, stakes were real, standards couldn't stop, and I was making life and death decisions. But when, when pressure, and I was surrounded, that's when I was at my calmest. I operated amazingly under pressure and stress.

Andy Smith 21:12 
It's, it, it's good, actually, what you were saying there, 'cause I feel like I went through the same journey and time in, in term of thinking things were, well, things were healthy. I, I thought I had a healthy diet back... I was the typical 16, 17, 18-year-old that wanted to put muscle on and build and, you know?

Dave Bolton 21:27 
No.

Andy Smith 21:27 
So at that time it was chicken and rice, chicken and rice- chicken and rice. But I'd have southern fried chicken, because, you know, it's chicken. You know? Um, and also it wasn't varied, you know, and I don't think my plate was ever green. So, you know, it's, it, it takes... There is a lack of education-

Dave Bolton 21:44 
Of course there is. Huge

Andy Smith 21:45 
Like, around, around everything that is involved in this.

Dave Bolton 21:47 
And then, without going into about it, but you buy a piece of chicken from a butcher's, you know where it's come from. You buy it from a supermarket, it's pumped full of all sorts, water, um, you know-

Andy Smith 21:57 
And covered in southern fried.

Dave Bolton 21:59 
And batter.

Andy Smith 21:59 
And batter. Yeah.

Dave Bolton 22:01 
But yeah, so yeah, um, yeah, nutrition plays a big part in it. It doesn't, as you were asking before, I don't think there is one magic bullet, one magic potion that's gonna cure cancer. I think it's a multitude of approaches, attacking it from different angles, like I did. I went 360.  Put myself in a fight camp, called it Terry the Terminator. I had a visual opponent, and that's what I did. I set to work.

Andy Smith 22:20 
Mm. And we talk in the o- other episode as well, 'cause you know, you're kickboxing champion.

Dave Bolton 22:25 
World champion. Don't, don't forget.

Andy Smith 22:26 
World, sorry, world champion.

Dave Bolton 22:27 
Sorry, sorry. English, British, Welsh, and world champion.

Andy Smith 22:30 
There we go.

Dave Bolton 22:31 
After having had my leg ripped off and told I would never walk again. Four years earlier.

Andy Smith 22:35 
Yeah. So, you know, uh, this is what I mentioned earlier about the 28 lives. Um, how about supplements? You know, we talked about diet. Was there any particular supplements that you went down the rabbit hole and took and-

Dave Bolton 22:49 
Yeah, I'll, I'll admit this as well. Um, certainly when you get told you got cancer and there was no real information out there, it's not like now, uh, you know, um, if I read that a supplement got rid of cancer, I took it. I had at one point an A4 piece of paper that, that had all the times there, and it was like a job taking all these supplements. And it was only after my psychological breakdown I kind of thought, "What are you doing? You're taking all these supplements. One, you don't know how they're gonna interact with e- each other, but the stress you're gonna put on your liver is horrendous." So then what I did is I refined it into, right, what's gonna, what's gonna boost my immunity? Uh, and that's kind of where I went at.

Andy Smith 23:27 
Mm. I think while we talk about supplements, a good point, and what I've learnt recently, is that I used to kind of supplement blind. Same sort of thing, you know, taking loads of supplements. It wasn't until I got my bloods done recently, which is really easy to do these days. There's so many packs that you can have delivered to home and that sort of thing, and I actually found that I had way too much vitamin D, way too much vitamin C, and, and, and I'm supplementing with it every single day. So not only is it waste of money, sometimes it can be counterproductive.

Dave Bolton 23:53 
And also make sure you do your research into the supplements, because there are so many companies out there that are full of binders and fillers and words you don't understand which are actually really bad. I won't name the companies I use, 'cause that's not for me to say to people, but unless you want me to, but

Andy Smith 24:11 
No, it's all right.

Dave Bolton 24:11 
I'll see if I can get some free stuff, 'cause it's...

Andy Smith 24:13 
Yeah. I don't want us to get sued just yet.

Dave Bolton 24:14 
No, no.

Andy Smith 24:15 
Um CBD something you've mentioned to me before.

Dave Bolton 24:19 
Yeah, yeah

Andy Smith 24:19 
Do, do you kinda stand by that? Is it-

Dave Bolton 24:20 
Yeah, yeah, I, yeah, I stand by it. Um, I also stand by THC as well. So that's obviously i- illegal. Um, when I was given three months to live, uh, I kinda went to my on- uh, I can say they're actually both retired and one's died now. My oncologist and my pr- professor, I said, "Listen, I wanna take cannabis oil. I've done all the research." And they went, "We can't condone it, but what have you got to lose?" And then actually, uh, doctor's been said, "Where are you getting it from?" I said, "I don't know." He goes, "Uh, 'cause a couple of my, uh, patients..." I don't use the word patients, by the, by the... We're not patient, we're people we're not numbers, we're not... I've, I've spoke about this before. Um, and he goes, "Yeah, 'cause they make it and it's like Breaking Bad." Uh, so yeah. Uh, s- and the way it, the, the theory around that is, uh, in your body, a cancer cell will float free 'cause they don't have, uh, your body doesn't recognize it 'cause they don't have this protective enzyme in it. So when the... We've got an endocannabinoid system in us, it was found in 1995, the CB1 and CB2 receptors in the brain. Uh, when you take that, it floats through the system, it latches onto healthy cells and improves it. You know, it, it, it regulates diet, mood, everything. Um, but when it latches onto a cancer cell, because it doesn't have this protective gene, it fills the receptors and it pumps ceramide into, this is the theory, pumps, uh, ceramide into the actual nucleus of the cancer cell, which c- causes apoptosis, cell suicide. And they say that the CBD is like a one, two punch. It stops the L1 gene getting to the cancer, which m- uh, which is responsible for meta- metastasizing it and spreading it. Um, so yeah, I did the Rick Simpson method, so I did 60 grams in three months. And yeah, 'cause I had nothing to lose. And I was a- out of it for the whole of it. And then when my mom was here, unfortunately I lost her to cancer in 2018, she took me to Costco one day just to get me out the house, and when she went home, she said she was crying. Said it looked like I, I'd been brought out on a special needs day out, 'cause I was sh- I c- I just couldn't control. But I'm still here. And once I reversed it, I'm on a, a, a maintenance dose. But I also, um, I'm quite open with everything, I also microdose psilocybin which is the psychoactive co- And by the way, I'm not condoning this. This is my choice, you know what I mean? I'm not asking, telling people to do it. Um, I've done all the research for the 1970 Nixon Act in America and how it affects the brain. You know, they're actually using it in America to treat PTSD, mental health. It's a big, it's just coming out now at the moment, psychedelic.

Andy Smith 26:37 
Yeah, it's been exciting.

Dave Bolton 26:37 
So I use that along with lion's mane, 'cause lo- lion's mane has, uh, neural growth factors or nerve growth factors. Putting them together, it's allegedly, um, improves the neural pathways, uh, new, new pathways, um, hypoxic tissue, but also with psilocybin, you get what's called neuroplasticity. So parts of the brain that have never spoke to each other, speak to each other. It's, uh, yeah, it's all the way, these are all the little steps, the little marginal gains, uh, that I'm doing to, just to still be here, and something's working.

Andy Smith 27:07 
Yeah, yeah. And you know, like you say, psilocybin, it's actually, there's a lot of noise about it at the minute-

Dave Bolton 27:12 
Loads

Andy Smith 27:12 
And there's, there's you know, big, actually big pharma companies now buying up research and, and it's-

Dave Bolton 27:17 
I think it was made, it's been made legal for, for, for medical in, uh, Canada. America are looking at it. Across the world, they're start... And I, I've been seeing it a lot within Britain as well that there's a, I think it was someone from it was put in the House of Commons recently to Andy Burnham saying that, "We wanna address the psychedelic acts to be able to use it." And he was like, "I'm very open to that." So there is noise, and it does seem to be, to be coming. So, but yeah.

Andy Smith 27:41 
Mm. Exercise.

Dave Bolton 27:43 
Oh.

Andy Smith 27:43 
I know that's something that you, you know, I mean, you've done it. Looks like-

Dave Bolton 27:46 
Yeah, whole life

Andy Smith 27:46 
You've done it from the womb.

Dave Bolton 27:48 
Yeah. Kicking me mums.

Andy Smith 27:50 
Yeah, that's it. Um, but I think a lot of people that have a diagnosis like yours will stop.

Dave Bolton 27:57 
Yeah, they do.

Andy Smith 27:58 
And-

Dave Bolton 27:58 
They do

Andy Smith 27:59 
And under medical a- advice too.

Dave Bolton 28:01 
I was told not to do anything. But yeah.

Andy Smith 28:04 
So yeah, I think you talked about it in the last episode in terms of even during your radiotherapy-

Dave Bolton 28:10 
Yeah, absolutely

Andy Smith 28:10 
When you're, you know when you're getting zapped by the head, uh, next thing you're out running. So what-

Dave Bolton 28:14 
C- yeah, because, uh, one thing is, yeah, it's really, physical exercise is good, so it actually inhibits cancer growth. It, it, it, it is. Why we're not being told to go and exercise is beyond me. But also, it's not just your physical health, it's your mental health. And I to- I think I told that story about, um, when I'd given up on life and I was made to go on that run with m- my, my wife when I was given three months to live, and then the next morning, it's 3:00 AM, I'm, I'm crying my eyes out. Um, because that night, I felt a little bit better. So I slept a bit better, and for the first time in a while, I felt a tiny bit more positive. It, it, it releases endorphins, uh, oxytocin, urethane. It gives you a feelgood, it's amazing. It helps with, uh, you know, um, insomnia, depression, y- you name it, uh, self-confidence, im- pr- improved immune system. It's, if you could say to someone, if, uh, you know, "If I could give you a pill that would, uh, make you feel better, uh, you know, um, your skin's better, your mental health better, you know, you'd feel amazing and all this, would you take it?" Yeah. Well, it's exercise.

Andy Smith 29:14 
Yeah.

Dave Bolton 29:15 
Why aren't you just doing it? And exercise doesn't have to be like what I do. It's just go for a 30-minute walk on the outside. Get the sunlight on your face. Get that vitamin D. It's, it's just, you know, w- go by the sea. If you, if you live near the sea, walk by the sea, because the ions from the sea actually give you an upregulation in oxygen to the brain. It's like exercise is free. It's easy. We should be doing it every single day. And if, and I, and sometime, 'cause obesity or s- sitting down is now one of the leading causes of modality in the world. So if you, if you're in a desk job and you're stuck there for eight hours a day, first of all, park your car further away so you've got further to walk. Don't use escalators. Yeah? Use the stairs. And then have a timer by your, by your, uh... Y- you think every 45 minutes, get up and just have a walk around. Just keep that bod- body moving.

Andy Smith 29:58 
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more with that. And you know, we see people online, and doesn't seem to be a coincidence, you know. Like you've got the, I think his name's The Chemo King on-

Dave Bolton 30:06 
Yeah, yeah.

Andy Smith 30:06 
On-

Dave Bolton 30:06 
Yeah, yeah, I, I've actually spoke with him.

Andy Smith 30:08 
He. Yeah. So another guy, you know, he had a prognosis, he's now outlived that by two years but he's, like, doing these ultramarathon runs and stuff. He's doing it to, you know, raise money, but- You can see what it's doing to his mindset, what it's doing to his health what it's doing to his, his body. So, you know, it's, and, and we see that happen quite a lot I think. And, and some of these people, I think they get a prognosis, then they start exercising.

Dave Bolton 30:28 
Yeah. Or they just don't do a thing.

Andy Smith 30:31 
Mm. That's it.

Dave Bolton 30:31 
Or they accept that they and that's a big thing I've seen. I, without sounding big-headed, like I've become that hope across the world for people 'cause I am an outlier, and a lot of them just give up. Like it's so rare to have someone to go, I was always told, "It's really rare to have someone like you, someone who wants to fight against it." I'm like, I find it rare if you're told y- how long you live, you don't wanna fight it. But yeah.

Andy Smith 30:54 
And actually, you know, a personal story, since we last met, um, and I talked about her on the, um, on my episode, episode 100, is, is my friend Laura who, you know-

Dave Bolton 31:03 
Oh, yeah, yeah

Andy Smith 31:04 
... was my, my friend from school. Um, you know, unfortunately she got cancer. She got a p- a bad, pretty bad prognosis, and I said, "You need to sp- speak to Dave."  You know, "Come and see Dave." And because she had, she, she really didn't have the mindset-

Dave Bolton 31:16 
No

Andy Smith 31:17 
Um, you know, her dad was desperately trying to get her-

Dave Bolton 31:19 
Heartbreaking

Andy Smith 31:20 
To change her mind, you know. And he said to me, you know, she came up to Liverpool to see you. She came back down-

Dave Bolton 31:25 
Three times she came. And every time she came up she was a different person. And she went back down there, and obviously as we know s- she was advised to go into hospital and she never came out.

Andy Smith 31:34 
Mm. So yeah, no, it's just, s- it's sad, you know, that this is, this is keeps happening, you know. And she actually started getting some really positive results on her scans.

Dave Bolton 31:44 
Oh, God, yeah

Andy Smith 31:44 
.From everything that she was doing.

Dave Bolton 31:46 
That's, that's the, that was the bit that I couldn't understand. On the way down it's like, "Oh, just had an amazing call." And then the next time you hear, "Oh, yeah, Dave, she's, uh, went into hospital and they've convinced her that she needs to stay in there." She's, I was just like...

Andy Smith 31:56 
Yeah. Four, five months later she'd been in there the whole time.

Dave Bolton 31:59 
But, but I'd say I'm not slagging the NHS off, but it's very, it's a, it's reactive. It's not preventative. You know, you've got a big piece that, and this is what I would say, you go into, go in, "Okay, I've got cancer. What is it?" You've got this huge pie of nutrition, supplementations, complimentary ther- these standard, they only give you the standard.  The, the, the, the, the chemical, the pharmaceutical way. They don't tell you anything else, and they actually, actually like say, "No, there's, there's no evidence whatsoever in it at all."  Well, there is.

Andy Smith 32:26 
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, um, you know, and why can't they offer these other complimentary therapies? Why can't they give you access to hypo- hyperbaric? Why can't they put PEMF mats in the hospital beds?

Dave Bolton 32:38 
In the hospital. Oh, you are speaking my language.

Andy Smith 32:39 
They don't even have to get out of the bed.

Dave Bolton 32:41 
The thing is, in America when you get diagnosed with cancer you'll be prescribed infrared light. Hyperbaric oxygen, PEMF. I've got a guy who I know, I say friend, I've never met him, but I've, we've been contacting him for eight years now. Oscar Garcia, lives in Mexico City. He just has only ever been prescribed infrared light, and he's still here. It's just, yeah, it... I don't know whether it's, 'cause the NHS is a business, isn't it, at the end of the day, whether there's no money in rehabilitation, whether they don't have money to, to prescribe this. Yeah, I could go down a different route, but I don't wanna do that.

Andy Smith 33:17 
What, when we talk about mindset, you know, you, you've mentioned exercise as one of your ways that you could just switch your mindset upside down.

Dave Bolton 33:25 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 33:26 
Is there other techniques that you think you could share that y- you know, if you woke up one day and you're just like, "I'm done"

Dave Bolton 33:33 
Yeah

Andy Smith 33:33 
... you know, how, how did you flip out of that?

Dave Bolton 33:35 
Yeah, I'll just, I'll answer this in two ways. So if you're out there and you're, you're dealing with cancer, you know, everyone always says to me, "You're so positive. You're the most positive." Yeah, but back at, certainly not now, but I had days where I woke up and went, "I'm not doing this anymore. Don't even wanna be here. I can't, I can't be bothered anymore." That's all right, you know? Um, I'd sit there, I'd wallow, and my wife would just leave me to it 'cause she knows the process. As long as you can draw a line in the sand at the end of the day and go, "Right, I've had that day. Tomorrow's gonna be a better day," that's okay. It's when those days roll into the next, the next, that's when you have to rely on your support network, your family, whoever, your, to understand that you may be suffering, starting to suffer with depression. And that co- what was the question again?

Andy Smith 34:22 
Um, mindset, changing your mindset kind of when you've had a really bad day.

Dave Bolton 34:27 
Oh, yeah. So, so it was that. Um, and then the stuff that I would also... So that's one, one thing, it is okay. Um, but visualization is a powerful tool, and people out there go, "Yeah, whatever." I used to do it for my fight career. I used to visualize walking to the ring. I'd visualize, uh, I'd, I'd literally before a fight be in the ring visualizing my shots, where I'd celebrate. But this happened when I would, I'd have a sing- and a single negative thought is so powerfully destructive to both the conscious and the subconscious mind. So what I would do, I'd be lying there and I'd be like, "Oh, no, my wife's gonna be a widow. I'm not gonna walk my daughter down the aisle. I'm not gonna see my son grow up." All these, and it just spirals. So I would literally just visualize walking my daughter down the aisle. I would, I, I could feel it, I could breathe it, I could smell it. I could close my eyes and visualize who it is. We'd walk her down the aisle, there's a faceless person at the end. I'd take the seat. I even know what I'm gonna say at, at, at the speech for a wedding. And then I would visualize getting good results, and then it would be like, well, what I'm gonna do in the future, and it's about put- telling yourself that you are gonna be here. Because a lot of people will have three month scan and it's like, "If I get to three months, I'm gonna do this." Well, you're telling it yourself, listen to you, it's scientifically proven. Stop telling yourself if, it's when I beat this. It's, so visualization was massively powerful for me, for me as well. And that self-talk. But it's easy to be positive when everything's going right, it's when everything's falling apart that, and it's the self-talk, you know, stop, don't call yourself an idiot. Right, okay. You know, it's all those sort of things.

Andy Smith 35:53 
Yeah. And you mentioned it, you know, a positive mindset. There's actual clinical studies now that have looked at positive mindset-

Dave Bolton 36:00 
Yeah

Andy Smith 36:00 
... and it m- some people just think it's woo-woo. You know, if I think happy thoughts, I'm gonna survive. There is a chemical reaction.

Dave Bolton 36:08 
Of course there is.

Andy Smith 36:09 
Yeah.

Dave Bolton 36:09 
You're, you're in control of your mind. It's, you, you, it's yeah. You're in control of your mind. You're the master of it, you know? If you, life's 10% the situation you find yourself in and 90% what you do it. You can either have that negative mindset and sink into it, and that's your reality- You're sinking into that. Or you can go, "No, I'm gonna look at the positive," reframe that thought and go with the positive side, and that's... If you're always thinking negatively, you will always see negative. If y- Yeah, I was gonna talk about my ayahuasca retreat, but we won't go into that. That sort of thing, you know. You've gotta be positive and look for the positive. I can take a positive out of any situations. I was once doing a talk on stage, uh, and the guy... And he wasn't being an idiot, so he wasn't being... But a lot of people, he go, "What was the positive in your mum dying?" So I said, "Okay. Actually, uh, the positive, uh, well, what I took from that is I spent six weeks with my mum having conversations we would never have had any, uh, before. We said stuff that she shared, stuff that she felt guilty for that she didn't need to. And I went, 'If she'd have been hit by a bus, we'd have never had that.' That's the positive I've took from it." You know, you... There is positives there, you just gotta look for it, and you've gotta be open to it as well.

Andy Smith 37:17 
Yeah. One of the biggest biohacks is sleep.

Dave Bolton 37:21 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 37:21 
You know, it's, it's something I mention quite a lot. You know, people say to me-

Dave Bolton 37:24 
Huge

Andy Smith 37:25 
"What's the best product I can buy?" How are you sleeping, first?

Dave Bolton 37:28 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 37:29 
Like, you know, that's, that's the-

Dave Bolton 37:30 
That's, that is exactly it. Yeah

Andy Smith 37:31 
That's the foundation. Um, got any tips on sleep? Because, you know, giving a prognosis like that I'm pretty sure that's gonna affect your sleep.

Dave Bolton 37:40 
Oh, massively. And it's hard, and especially if you're on, like, medical steroids as well. So I was never getting any sleep, and I couldn't understand why, and I was awake all night 'cause they were telling me to take my med- my medical steroids, which produces a... I was gonna swear then. A load of, like, testosterone, and you're just awake. Then you've also got those thoughts that, that spiral, spiral through your head as well. But sleep's massively important. I think it's one of the most underrated biohacking that's free. Um, you know, when I speak to people, I'm like, "You sleeping now? Well, what's your bedtime routine?" "Well, I'm on my phone till about 11:00." "Well, why are you doing that?" Because what happens is if we live our life by the circadian rhythm, we go... We wake up with the sun, we go to bed with the sun. Um, Matthew Walker is the guy to listen to on this. He is the world's expert in sleep. But basically, when you look at your phone, your phone gives off joules of light which is equivalent to midday with the sun, so your brain goes, "Oh, it's midday," and it switches off the melatonin process which is responsible for sleep. And it's the same when you wake up. So it's about having a, a good bed, uh, you know, routine. Don't be taking caffeine after 3:00, you know. And if you, if you, you're struggling to sleep, read a book. How quickly you start reading a book and you fall asleep. Or listen to, like, yoga nidra, which is a really good, like... It's not yoga, but it's about, you know, focus on the eyeball. You know, it goes through the body and... And I used it in Kilimanjaro at one point to get to sleep, and by the time I got to my chin, I was gone.

Andy Smith 38:59 
Mm, yeah. Is... I saw something interesting earlier. You mentioned caffeine. Because, um, there's, like, a transit time, and there's actually a time which certain supplements stay in the body. Like, melatonin's about four hours or something, so you take melatonin and it's kind of out your system by the time you wake up, whereas caffeine is the opposite. It... I think it stays in your system for, like, 16 hours or something, so even that first coffee you have in the morning is gonna be in your system at night. So just bear that in mind, you know. You said-

Dave Bolton 39:23 
Yeah. Well-

Andy Smith 39:23 
... don't drink after 3:00, you know, even if you can.

Dave Bolton 39:25 
Yeah. And, and another thing you sh- When... As soon as you wake up, I've got a routine when I wake up. As soon as you wake up, you shouldn't be having c- c- c- c- caffeine. You shouldn't... C- c- c- c- c-. I've had too many. No, but you shouldn't really-

Andy Smith 39:36 
You shouldn't do that

Dave Bolton 39:36 
... because you... I think it's 90 minutes to two hours. Because if you do, it spikes the cortisol which is an inflammatory. So it's, yeah. It's like a couple pints of water as soon as you wake up because you've been asleep for eight, nine hours. Imagine going eight, nine hours in the day without drinking any water. You're dehydrated, so it's important we get that fluid on board.

Andy Smith 39:52 
Mm-hmm. And when you were looking at, you know, just, uh, very briefly, when you're looking at, like, all the different routines and things you're gonna do, and probably all this, you know, what we'll talk about now with all the different biohacks and things that you started using, how do you sift through all the noise? Because there's a lot of noise out there, you know.

Dave Bolton 40:08 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 40:08 
What do you, what do you really... Yeah, how can you trust some things?

Dave Bolton 40:11 
Um, trial and error sometimes.

Andy Smith 40:13 
Yeah.

Dave Bolton 40:13 
But, um, a- as you know, I research everything. I won't take anything, I won't use anything unless I, I've seen clinical research or I've seen valid kind of studies on it. Um, yeah, I... And then you've got to look at the... If it's a company, you research the company as well. You look at first certificates. If it's a supplementation, you're looking for third-party testing. You're looking for its certificates being p- posted. It's, it's a lot of work, but once I've done that, I did a lot of that. I know who to trust and I who... Know not what to trust. Um, but it's ever-evolving. So when we were talking about, uh, the biohacking thing, for me, it was always hyperbaric. Then I... So how I, so how I coming a- across with, uh, in... Have I, have I said this? No. So I first had nothing really with biohacking. It was sleep, it was cold swimming. Like, I do cold water swimming all year round. That was the only thing I was doing. And then it kind of started to come to the forefront. Um, and in 2021, um, I felt as though I'd been hit over the head with a baseball bat. Uh, I was rushed into hospital 'cause they thought I had a bleed on the brain. A very long story. I was treated horrendously. But the upshot was, um, the IC changes. So I was like, "Right, I need to get upfront to this. There's no way I'm having dementia or Alzheimer's. This is what..." I'm like, I'm defying everything they ever do. Um, and one of my f- A guy who I knew, who was a doctor who specialized in it, I said, "What..." You know. He sent me a load of research papers. But the panels he was sending them, it was unf- cost a fortune. He goes, "Oh no, you can..." And what the research was showing, that at the moment it was eight minutes in the morning, eight minutes in the evening, was s- was showing to halt Alzheimer's and dementia by up to eight years. So I thought, "Great." So I jumped on that. And then obviously I've got, uh, I started the hyperbaric. But the thing I would now put first before anything, and I'm not just saying this because you're sat here, it's PEMF. It's, it's pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, because if your cells aren't in a position, 'cause they obviously, without going into too much, they stick together, you know, coil models. If you're then taking IV, infrared light, oxygen, your cells aren't actually in a position to operate it properly, so it is massively important, and I do this every morning. Uh, you know, I, uh, as soon as I wake up, it's two pints of water. I go straight outside into my wellness. It used to be a pub, but it's not, it's a wellness plate. And I, I, I'm on the, uh, biohacker package. Uh, PEMF and red light for 20 minutes whilst I'm listening to a meditation track. And then I'll come out, and then I'll do some kind of lymphatic movements, a bit of, like, yoga in the garden and stuff, just getting that body moving, and then I'll carry on with the rest of the day. But hyperbaric is amazing. I'll use that two to three times 'cause it takes a lot of time. PEMF, 20 minutes, boom, done. With red light. And you stack them, so you can put- take your red light, and if you've got a decent red light, you can take it into the hyperbaric. You can take your... I take my PEMF controller every time I'm in, in, in the, uh, hyperbaric. On me, I just strap it to my chest 'cause I'm like Iron Man.

Andy Smith 43:00 
Mm-hmm. And just to, you know, just to clear it up for this episode, like, the, from diagnosis to your first clear scan, you weren't using this type of equipment, but this is, I believe, were you using any or it's more as a preventative maintenance afterwards?

Dave Bolton 43:17 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, no, yeah, where was I thinking? When did I start using it? 2022. It's around that time I started using it, and then I started to get a, a clear scan.

Andy Smith 43:30 
Yeah, okay. 'Cause this is where we sort of say to people, you know, that they don't have to spend the money and go straight down the route of buying-

Dave Bolton 43:36 
Oh, God, no

Andy Smith 43:37 
Equipment. You know, a lot of the time it's sorting out the fundamentals, and you just mentioned-

Dave Bolton 43:40 
Yeah, yeah

Andy Smith 43:40 
... cold water swimming and-

Dave Bolton 43:41 
Yeah, yeah

Andy Smith 43:41 
... so cold showers.

Dave Bolton 43:43 
Yeah. You can do breathwork. You know, all this stuff. I think it was, um, Huberman who said it best. He was like, "You can get out, ground yourself." Take your shoes off. Go, go for a walk. You can take cold showers or go into cold lakes. You can do, uh, holotropic or breathwork. But people live in places where you don't wanna go for a walk with your shoes off and because needles and dark, you know? So it's, this is when you lean onto... But o- obviously grounding is great, but PEMF is grounding on a supercharged level as w- as we  both know.

Andy Smith 44:14 
Yeah.

Dave Bolton 44:14 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 44:15 
And when did red light therapy come into the, come into the mix?

Dave Bolton 44:18 
As I, as I said, it was 2021. It was when I got that shock diagnosis that y- yeah, basically you're now gonna have dementia and Alzheimer's, and I was like yeah, no, I'm not. And that's when I started to look into i- infrared thing. And, like, I, I must do... Infrared saunas are brilliance as well. Um, I do them probably once, twice a month. And people are, "Why don't you just go into a normal sauna?" Normal saunas are great, I'm not saying it, but you've got to get up to 70 to 80 to 90 degrees, and you sweat topically. Your pores open up, you get rid of all the dirt, all the grime. Awesome. But infrared, it heats you up from the inside out, so you're actually sweating the toxins out. It's great for inflammation, detoxification. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's really good.

Andy Smith 44:57 
Mm. So how did you discover PEMF therapy? You know, when was that?

Dave Bolton 45:01 
Well, I went online. And as I say, I, I did, and this is where we met. I genuinely research everything, and I will not buy inferior products. And, and at the moment in the market, as you, as we both, and you certainly know, there are so many companies popping up. The products are inferior. They don't actually know how it works. So I did my research and came across Cellar Eight. And I didn't know you at this point. You'd won all the awards. I'd seen that you designed it, and you'd been... And I was like, "That'll do for me." So I bought the first one. My team were like, "Why are you spending that much?" And I said, "Because it works, that's why." Uh, and so that's when I started using it there. I could see the benefit in it. Um, and then obviously met you on a podcast and yeah.

Andy Smith 45:36 
Yeah, okay.

Dave Bolton 45:37 
The rest is history.

Andy Smith 45:38 
Yeah. Now we've become good friends-

Dave Bolton 45:40 
Yeah, I know yeah

Andy Smith 45:40 
... and we're doing this two years later. Protocols. We've just mentioned load of different products, and you've kind of weaved in a little bit as to how often you use them and that sort of thing. But kind of running through them, you got PEMF, red light, HBOT, infrared sauna.

Dave Bolton 45:54 
Yeah. IV infusions once a month.

Andy Smith 45:55 
IV infusions. So what order? How frequent? Kind of knocking them out.

Dave Bolton 46:01 
Yeah. Uh, uh, PEMF first. As I've already discussed that, you know, you've got to get your cells in a position to be able to upregulate whatever modality of biohacking, whatever complementary therapy you want to do. But then I also have infrared lights at the same time, which as we know, amazing for skin, blue light, red light, near-infrared, muscle inflammation. You know, the full works. Working on mitochondria, you know, the release of ATP. I'm not gonna get into it, 'cause I will go so deep on this. People will be, "What's ATP?" But, you know, one cell produces two. Under infrared light, one produce... So b- just think of energy. You got a trillion cells in your body, it all needs energy. One cell will produce two. Under infrared light, it releases, gets rid of, uh, is it mitochondrial oxide? And basically it becomes 32. So 32. Two times a trillion, 32 times a trillion. And then hyperbaric, uh, is one of the-

Andy Smith 46:47 
So they, they're your daily ones then.

Dave Bolton 46:48 
Yeah, every single day without fail.

Andy Smith 46:50 
So that's your, yeah, they're your daily ones.

Dave Bolton 46:51 
That's my go-to and that, and then obviously the movement. Um, I'd say every two to three days, I'd say three, two to three times a week, I will do hyperbaric oxygen chamber. Uh, every month, every, I'll do t- one or two, um, hyperbarics not hyperbaric, sorry, uh, infrared saunas a month. I do IV, uh, infusion, uh, with a girl called Lauren, who's from Thrive. Hopefully she's gonna be at the conference today, uh, when she comes up, and I do that once a month. Exercise, just recovering from shoulder surgery, so it's four, five times a week at the moment. Uh, nutrition's always on point. But what I'm gonna say about nutrition is, for me, it's 80/20 now. Sorry. Um, and basically what I mean by that, I've done everything. So I inspired the ketogenic diet at Walton. I've been a, a, a, a vegetarian. I've gone through all the different things. But nutrition has a part to play, but it's a small part to play. So usually Friday night after a week in work, I will, uh, make pizzas, but then I'll have some ice cream. I'll maybe have some sweets while watching a film. You know, maybe I'll have the odd drink. That's not gonna increase, increase my chance of getting cancer. It's like if someone's losing weight, that's not gonna make you put on. It's when you're making those decisions every single day. 'Cause when I deal with a lot of people, it's like, "What do I eat? I don't know what to eat." Just eat food. Eat food. Eat normally, and let's kind of change, as we said at the beginning, change which sort of foods you're looking at. You know, s- it's a great process, but you can have, you know... 'Cause I used to say that I have cancer but cancer doesn't have me, and at one point I'd been teetotal for three years. I'd hardly eaten any sugar, and I just thought, "If I can't have a piece of cake at my daughter's birthday, if I can't go out..." You know, I'm not a big drinker anyway, but I was when I was playing rugby, obviously, and in the military. But, um, then it has got me. It ha- it is affecting my life. So yeah. Nutrition's important, but it's not everything

Andy Smith 48:41 
Yeah. And, you know, I actually watched a documentary the other night with, uh, Ben Greenfield in it. And he, he talks about all his biohacking, everything he does. Um, but actually the moral at the end of it is to... Sorry, plot twist and, uh, s- plot spoiler is-

Dave Bolton 48:58 
Spoiler alert

Andy Smith 48:58 
... is not to get lost in it. You know, don't get-

Dave Bolton 49:00 
Exactly

Andy Smith 49:00 
... completely lost in-

Dave Bolton 49:01 
Yeah, exactly that

Andy Smith 49:02 
... the, you know-

Dave Bolton 49:04 
And you can do. You can become s- You have people like... At one point, if I didn't take a certain supplement at a certain time, it would, like, you've just got to get to a point where, okay, if I've not done it, I've not done it. You know, if I've not done my PEMF or red light, i- is it the end of the world? And at one point, it kind of was. But you've got to just relax and not get lost in it. It should empower you but not consume you.

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Andy Smith 50:20 
Since we met last time, well, we've met a lot of times since last time, but I mean since our last episode, um, you've done Kilimanjaro.

Dave Bolton 50:27 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 50:27 
So I think we should kind of just, just weave that in a little bit, and then we'll talk about Ahead of the Game Foundation too.

Dave Bolton 50:32 
Yeah. Yes, yeah. So, so Kilimanjaro was something that I kind of always wanted t- t- to do. Um, and it was the 20th anniversary, think it was 22 years on Wednesday that my leg was ripped off and I was told I wouldn't walk again. 22 years. So it's 20 years that, uh, and I called it Summits Against All Odds, and I was raising money for, for my charity, which we'll talk about a bit later. Um, uh, but it was also 10-year anniversary of my first tumor, my osteosarcoma, where I was told I only had five years to live. So it's like I shouldn't be walking, I shouldn't even be studying, I shouldn't actually be here. So it, it was a wa- I called it Summits Against All Odds, but it wasn't just about me. It was about showing people what is truly, what the, the human mind, body, and spirit is truly possible if you dedicate yourself to something and really push through. And I wanted to show all the people in that position who had been written off, who'd been told they can't do anything, that anything is possible, but it takes hard work, grit, determination, and sacrifice. So we did. So I had a team of eight, um, and it was one of the most amazing experiences I've ever done, but it was also one of the most brutal that I've done as well.

Andy Smith 51:34 
I said on the way down here, didn't I?

Dave Bolton 51:35 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 51:35 
I think people underestimate Kilimanjaro. They think it's the, the small mountain-

Dave Bolton 51:39 
Yeah

Andy Smith 5

1:39 
... compared to, to-

Dave Bolton 51:40 
Yeah, it's 5,895 meters

Andy Smith 51:42 
... Everest. Yeah.

Dave Bolton 51:43 
Yeah, yeah. 19,341 feet. The fourth-highest summitable mountain in the world. They call it the Roof of Africa. 45% of people won't make it up. And we saw that. We saw people being run down with altitude sickness. That's the killer is altitude sickness.

Andy Smith 51:59 
Yeah. And you, Go on.

Dave Bolton 52:01 
Sorry. No, and, and I am gonna put... So I kind of s- I, we... In my facility, we were getting people coming in to use the, the hyperbaric oxygen chamber, and obviously we do all the proper tests, the HBO2, the blood levels. And what we found was, um, one of my colleague's mums came in, and she had COPD, and she had issues with her lungs anyway. And her, her SpO2 levels, her oxygen sats were, like, 83. And I was like, "No. I know what she's got, but I'm not put- y- I'm not authorizing it to be put in a hyperbaric. Stick her on the red light and PEMF." Did that. We tested at 93. And I was like, well, that kind of... And that's when I reached out to you. I said, "Are you getting this correlation?" And it makes sense. If your cells are not in a position because they're stuck together to operate, and that's where- our blood cells are what, what take the oxygen. When they, when they, when you've been on the, the PEMF and they peripherate and it, it puts the ions back in them, all the positive and extra out, it's obviously going to up-regulate. So I was like, "Would it work in Kilimanjaro?" So you went, "I don't know." So you put it in the freezer- ... and, and I t- I, I took-

Andy Smith 53:01 
Oh, yeah.

Dave Bolton 53:01 
Yeah, you put it in-

Andy Smith 53:01 
I did a test. You put it in the freezer, didn't I, for a couple of days?

Dave Bolton 53:03 
But it was, I was... Minus 30 at the top . But, um, but yeah. And, and it, and it worked though because when we were going up, and obviously we were with, um, the, the b- the best tour operator out there, Alterza. You know, one of my inspiration was Nims Purja, who sadly passed away in Nepal uh, about three or four weeks ago.

Andy Smith 53:20 
Oh, yeah.

Dave Bolton 53:21 
Um, so they would do all your checks. So I would use the PEMF 20 minutes before we'd do our SpO2 te- checks, and mine were always higher than everyone else. And the one time I didn't do it, mine was actually lower. So it, it, so it, so it worked. Um, but yeah, it was, it was amazing, but it was physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausting. As I was saying to you, at one point I hadn't slept. I think I'd had seven hours sleep in four days. Um, and we'd just done the Barranco Wall, and the Barranco Wall is a sheer face. Uh, no ropes or anything. You are climbing it with n- narrow, narrow gaps. And adrenaline got me over it, and we got to the top, and as we came down, we had to, we had a kilometer to go and it was like this, but it was walking. And I remember a few steps and my head was spinning, and I just closed my eyes and I, I sank onto my... Sorry. I sank onto my poles, into my chest, closed me eyes, and went... And I, I was like, "I can't do this." And it just hit me. I went, "All you have to do is take one step after the next." So I took one step, one step. And as I was saying to you, usually we got to the top and it'd be, like, 4,200 meters, you are now at Barranco Camp. And we'd get a picture. And as soon as we get a picture, I told them all where to go. Went into my, my tent and collapsed with sheer exhaustion. And, and crying. And I videoed it, 'cause what I wanted to do is show everyone g- everyone sees... And this is for business. Ev- everyone sees the result. Everyone sees, you know, the, the top of the mountain, the world kickboxing title. They see that. They don't see what actually goes into it when nobody's watching. For me, there I was physically exhausted. I actually say on it- Oh, at least I'm at base camp. I was that exhausted. I wasn't, I had another two camps to go, like and so I wanted people to know, and I use that when I do my talk to say, "Listen, this is the reality of what, what, what we were facing." So yeah. But yeah, made it to the top, it was amazing. And, and as I say, and it was incredible. The views will never do it justice. Watching, watching the sunrise on the roof of Africa is just like... But we were told we could drop down into the canyon, uh, 'cause it's a volcano um, and you can go and look at the, the glacier. They don't reckon it'll be there in 20- you know, by 2050. So we were like, "Yeah, we want the crampons." But it was... We'd been hiking for 11 hours nonstop, hallucinating. You know, I had bits where I thought I was having a seizure, but I wa- it was just mental. So it'd take you 20 minutes to go down there. It would take you nearly three hours to get up, and I was like, "Not a chance" 'cause I still had four hours to get back. People think you get... You've still gotta walk back, back, back to base camp.

Andy Smith 55:40 
Yeah, yeah.

Dave Bolton 55:40 
But yeah, it was just an incredible experience, yeah.

Andy Smith 55:43 
Are you still thinking of walking the length of-

Dave Bolton 55:45 
Yeah, my missus is still saying you can't do it, but- ... as she knows, but yeah. So I'm potentially gonna be walking Land's End to John O'Groats, 1,200 miles, 12 weeks, and I'll hit 12 years with a glioblastoma as I move into phase four with Scotland. It's in the planning stage. I tend to, if I get an idea, I tend to do it, but at the moment my wife's very against it.  Three months. Three months without me, it's gonna be great.

Andy Smith 56:11 
And you know, I've said it off record, but I'll, I'll say it on record, you know, I will join you for some of that walk.

Dave Bolton 56:16 
There, there wasn't a... There wa- there wasn't a question for it, like you are.

Andy Smith 56:20 
Yeah. But yeah. Um, let's just talk about Head of the Game Foundation-

Dave Bolton 56:23 
Yeah

Andy Smith 56:24 
... um, because it needs a central role. Um, you know, what, what is the Head of the Game Foundation?

Dave Bolton 56:28 
So Head of the Game Foundation is a, uh, registered charity that provides free, fully funded physical, mental, and emotional rehabilitation to anyone at any stage with a, uh, with a, uh, diagnosis of a cancer. But also, having lived it, having been through it, we also provide that level of, of support for the family and the loved ones. Because when... The thing I learnt about cancer very quickly is that my cancer journey, when you ha- it isn't just my cancer journey, when you have family, children, it's theirs as well. So it's their diagnosis, and it's everybody's journey, and that needs to be applied. And what I did is I built out what did I need when I was at my worst, and I built out. So, you know, we apply grief counseling. You know, we, we have, unfortunately we have, uh, we have a, a, a... We bring a team in called Bright Days Ahead, and they work with children from eight under, doing sand and drum play, who've their- whose parents have been diagnosed or they've lost them, and we've used them a lot. We do counseling, we do workshops, we do coffee mor- You know, we, we tackle it as, as much as we can, 360. Again, my approach is 360. So yeah. Um, you know, uh, in 2023, I won the top award for the National Lottery Awards, uh, for recognition. We're, we're an award-winning charity. We do stuff that no other charity does. But we are not government funded, we're not, uh, funded by the NHS, and people think, "Oh, they must have loads of money." We don't. I am a permanent fundraiser. We have to beg, borrow, because everything's for free and I will not relent on that stance. Because when you get diagnosed with cancer, the financial burden is crippling. It really is. Your partner can often lose hours, or they then become a doctor, a fundraiser, a researcher, a carer. It's an all-encompassing... So when you come on the course, if you are, come on the course, you're not paying for anything. But at the moment, funds have not, as you're fully aware, funds haven't been great. Um, and everything is kind of paused at the moment. We're still delivering to the people who are on it, but we can't actually accept anyone else. We have a waiting list of now nearly over 700 people who all want to access that, that kind of support. And where I used to be, "Oh, g-", that's not my fault that the... It's the inequity within the services that we live in that there are no support for people like that. But we do, we do... Um, you know, every single donation matters. We're not a charity that has directors that spend 400 grand on art exhibitions, not me, I know, that make no money. When people wanna do a sponsored event, we don't send them a, a, a sponsor pack that's cost us hundreds of pounds. You download it off, off the website. Um, every penny goes to those within our community who are diagnosed with cancer and struggling at their worst moment.

Andy Smith 59:00 
Mm-hmm. And you know, we don't ask people for a lot on this- podcast. We, we never really do. But you know, if I can say take away anything from this, you know, we'll leave a link to the Head of the Game Foundation.

Dave Bolton 59:11 
Yeah, I appreciate that.

Andy Smith 59:13 
And as you say, you know, any diet, any, um, any, um-

Dave Bolton 59:17 
Any diet?

Andy Smith 59:18 
Any donation.

Dave Bolton 59:19 
Yeah, sorry.

Andy Smith 59:20 
Any donation is, is incredible, and you know, it just helps Dave do what he does.

Dave Bolton 59:23 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 59:24 
And, and from the personal standpoint, you know, you were an absolute inspiration to Laura when she went through her worst time.

Dave Bolton 59:30 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 59:30 
Uh, you know, listen to my episode and learn a little bit more about that whole situation. Dave was a big part of that, that change. And it's not just Laura, it's not just her.

Dave Bolton 59:38 
No.

Andy Smith 59:39 
You've, you've been a huge inspiration for many, many, many people, including Tom.

Dave Bolton 59:43 
Yeah, Tom Parker-

Andy Smith 59:44 
Yeah, Tom Parker

Dave Bolton 59:44 
... unfortunately, yeah.

Andy Smith 59:45 
So you know, it's, um, yeah, please, if you, if you watching this episode, listening to this episode, click on the link below. Just a small donation. It absolutely means the whole world to Dave.

Dave Bolton 59:55 
I know, definitely. 'Cause I've, I've chose to keep myself in a world of cancer where most people won't. They like to put it in the rear view mirror. But I've just got this need to help people in my situation who haven't got support, who haven't got that knowledge. I've weeded through a lot of the shit so people don't have to. Uh, that's a big one. And I just wanna say one thing is what I'm massively proud of. I'm now actually the global ambassador for Cure 51. So Cure 51 is a steering group for the Rosalind study. So the Rosalind study is looking at super survivors and why they're still here, their DNA, they're looking at all the s- the stats. And, um, I'm now the main ambassador for Cure 51, uh, globally, uh, for, yeah, for, uh, fund- for research and yeah.

Andy Smith 01:00:34 
So you're gonna be an official guinea pig now.

Dave Bolton 01:00:36 
I, yeah, definitely.

Andy Smith 01:00:37 
Love it.

Dave Bolton 01:00:37 
Poking and probing me with all my- ... ivs, isn't it? But yeah. So, so yeah, so that's, that's really good. That's that's been quite important. Yeah, lots of, lots of good things, uh, that have happened. Obviously, I, I started as... My blog was The Unwinnable Fight, when I had no hope. It then became, um, My Journey For Survival. It then, yeah, and then it's, it then went into Inspires, and it's now Defiance.

Andy Smith 01:00:57 
Mm. Defiance.

Dave Bolton 01:00:59 
Defiance, yeah.

Andy Smith 01:00:59 
My next question. What, what is Defiance?

Dave Bolton 01:01:01 
So Defiance is kind of, it's, for me, it's a state of mind. It's a mindset, uh, something I've, I've, I've, I've always kinda lived by. And, like, Defiance can be c- if you look in the dictionary it's, like, rebellious, goes against the grain, you know, uh, insubordination. Well, they're quite negative. But if you reframe it, well, it's not. I've gone against the grain when it came to, uh, wanting to defy the odds. You know, I've chose to ch- look at other modalities, I've chose to try and blaze a trail for others to follow, and so far that's working. I have been insubordinate to it. You know, it's, um... But also, it's about resiliency and not, not always the resiliency we always think, not always turning up, pushing through, not always saying that you're fine when you're not or wearing exhaustion as a badge of honor. It can be times where resilience is understanding that you need help and asking for help. There was times, I did six months chemo, that time when I said to my wife, "Just let me die," I accepted the help from her. You know, it's, it's not always the defiant as in rebellious resiliency. It's about asking for help. It's a multitude of approaches, and what I do is, is I now go into teams, leaders, and I, I show them how to work under high pressure, stress, to keep showing up and not to lose self in that, in that process, and how to adapt to change, and what happens when the plan breaks. You know, Mike Tyson said it best, "Everyone's got a plan 'til they get punched in the face." So it's about that, that sort of frame, framework, and yeah, it's something that I'm loving at the moment. It's going really well. Mm-hmm. State of mind.

Andy Smith 01:02:31 
Yeah. Uh, Dave, thanks again for-

Dave Bolton 01:02:33 
No, no, thanks for having me

Andy Smith 01:02:34 
Coming on. So, you know, I'm gonna put it here now, within two years we're gonna get episode three in-

Dave Bolton 01:02:41 
Oh, it's still good

Andy Smith 01:02:41 
And we're gonna talk about what's happened over the next two years. We're gonna have walked the path-

Dave Bolton 01:02:45 
Yeah, we will have

Andy Smith 01:02:46 
Path of the UK with you.

Dave Bolton 01:02:47 
You'll, you'll be swearing at me 'cause I wouldn't let you go, and you'll have to do most of it.

Andy Smith 01:02:50 
Yeah, I know. I'm not gonna stop you-

Dave Bolton 01:02:51 
You'll have the, you'll have the blisters

Andy Smith 01:02:52 
From the exercise.

Dave Bolton 01:02:54 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 01:02:54 
Um, so yeah, let's, let's-

Dave Bolton 01:02:56 
And who, who knows what else is gonna happen but I'm always pushing the boundaries. Uh, when I was going through rehabilitation, it stopped, for me, it stopped becoming about rehabilitating myself to where it is. It was like, let's see how far I can push my body, my mind, the human, uh, spirit. Let's see what I can achieve, because I've always been told, "You won't be alive. You won't walk ever again. You won't do this." Well, just guess what? I've done it all, and I'm gonna continue to keep doing it.  So who knows where, what we'll be talking about in two years' time. What batshit m- sorry, I swore. That crazy thing I've come up with then. So, yeah.

Andy Smith 01:03:27 
Other than the links under this episode, where can people find you? And, you know, the book as well.

Dave Bolton 01:03:32 
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Andy Smith 01:03:33 
When's the book coming out? You know, just, oh, just-

Dave Bolton 01:03:35 
Great book, bro. I forgot about that

Andy Smith 01:03:36 
Forgot. You forgot about the book.

Dave Bolton 01:03:37 
Yeah, so, um, I've got a book coming out in, in January, it's called Defiance, and it's just, it's, like, I was... It's my life. I was told once, if we went up to, um, George Lucas and, and told my life story, he would go, "Nah, that just, just doesn't happen. That's too far-fetched." You know, for the military, for the... Everything. Um, but it's my story. It's about... It's not just my, an autobiography. It, it shares the philosophy of how I've got through things, like the shattered vase theory. There's a lot that goes into it. Um, and that's out in, in January. So, yeah.

Andy Smith 01:04:07 
We've done two episodes, probably nearly four hours of... No, uh, not that, about three hours-

Dave Bolton 01:04:11 
About the first one

Andy Smith 01:04:12 
Worth of, but I feel like we've only scratched the surface of-

Dave Bolton 01:04:16 
Oh, no, honestly, honestly, there's stuff people don't even know that's in that book. You know, I talk, I, I talk about skin cancer. I never t- talk about that usually 'cause it's so insignificant to me because of everything else that's going on. There's like, yeah, there's, there's a lot in it, and it's yeah, it, it's... I didn't think, I thought, "Why would anyone wanna read this?" And I've read it, I went, "No, I get it now."  It's, it's, it's, it's raw. It's unscripted. It's, it's, yeah, it's my life.

Andy Smith 01:04:38 
Dave, thank you so much again.

Dave Bolton 01:04:40 
Thank you for having me.

Andy Smith 01:04:40 
And, you know, we'll do this again soon.

Dave Bolton 01:04:42 
Oh, definitely. I'll outlive you all.

Andy Smith 01:04:45 
Just a small note for the end of the, uh, end of the podcast, you know, like and subscribe as we always ask. You know, we always do it at the end of the episode because, you know, we want you to enjoy the episode first, then we need your support. We need to get more people on like Dave, um, although, you know, Dave comes on as, as, 'cause he's such a lovely guy.

Dave Bolton 01:05:04 
Oh, thanks, man. I'll give-

Andy Smith 01:05:04 
So we-

Dave Bolton 01:05:05 
I'll give you the money later.

Andy Smith 01:05:07 
Yeah. And as I mentioned, we will drop the link under there for Ahead of the Game Foundation. Please do do a, do a little, uh, donation. It means amaze- so much to Dave.

Dave Bolton 01:05:14 
Yeah.

Andy Smith 01:05:15 
It means so much to his foundation. It means so much to the families going through cancer.

Dave Bolton 01:05:17 
Every penny truly counts, and I'm not just making that up. And it's all, if you've got a pound, your cup of coffee, just, just if you just miss that one day and 100 people do that, it's, it's a life chang- you are changing the lives and the quality of them, of those who need it the most in this world.

Andy Smith 01:05:34 
Thanks for listening to another episode of the PEMF Podcast.